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new image

ok I Ekgladiator, would like for you all to consider this image for the new main image Ekgladiator 15:59, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

new favicon

ok I would like to replace the current one with this one , so tell me what you think, also if you do not like this one then give me the orginal link that you got the current one from, most likely I can make it look less chopy [which is a good thing] Ekgladiator^Talk 03:16, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Reformatting of Weapons Articles

Hey everyone, Barolb here. It's been a while since i've last done anything on the Wiki and after having some time, i thought about taking a look around to see if anything could be done and whatnot.

Both The Conduit and Conduit 2 have significantly different online experiences, so i thought it might be a good idea to discuss a change in the format. I was thinking of making two 2 point headers. The first is for The Conduit, and the second is for Conduit 2. Now, i've come to this conclusion based on the extra information that's given in Conduit 2 about these weapons. Since there's more information, along with the difference in online experience, i thought that it might be better to organize the sections differently from before.

Here is my proposed formats for weapons articles: {C}Deleted old versions

The organization of the headers could also be switched around a bit. Appearance, Reload, and Melee could go under header 3 or 4, while Strategies and Conduir 2 Store could go under header 2. In such a case, a header 2 with the name "Weapon Information" could be made to make point on the information about the specific guns that are listed in apparance, reload etc so long as they're in header 3 or 4. This is for suggestion 3.

For articles with weapons that did not appear in the Conduit, a simple change of format in the first two suggestions could be made. Take out the "Conduit 2" header and "The Conduit" header and the following format of it. For the third suggestion no changes would be needed unless a third game is announced with adequate and supporting info.

I made only small changed to the Carbonizer Mk16 article in terms of formatting, but definitely give some input on this. I feel it's an obligation to make note of this thought to others so that a good, and organized, article could be made. I'm unsure myself how i think the articles should be organized as there's multiple ways to go about with it. I'm slightly leaning towards format 3 since weapon information is minor though.

The goal of this change is to make the articles easier to read for people who stumble upon the wikia looking for information. So, please give some good input on it.

~Barolb 18:44, March 31, 2012 (UTC)

Barolb

PS: Sorry for making this so long

I liked your third suggestion the most, it keeps things easier to compare with each other. Ddd87 12:26, April 4, 2012 (UTC)

I also like the third suggestion most. If you need help refomatting the weapons than i can help. You might want to think up something different for the AEGIS Device though, it has much more info than the other weapons.Dr.Snipes 12:32, April 4, 2012 (UTC)

Good point on the AEGIS Device, Dr.Snipes. I'm look at the page right now. The format i came up with doesn't adapt to other information regarding the weapons. Although it's simpler, in comparison the AEGIS Device has charts, a section on the AEGIS rule, and a very long list of strategies. AEGIS Device, and other articles have beneficial suit upgrades too. Pictures may be added of redesigned weapons too, so it might be a good idea to take all that into consideration. Maybe other things that can be added in too.

For the time being, i also think suggestion three should be used (kind of funny since i suggested others too), but i think the other suggestions would work better under other conditions compared to suggestion three. I think a small reorganization of suggestion three may do well though, maybe a bit of a redesign of it too. I thought of this stuff as very simplistic without taking other things into account. While only thinking of weapon characteristics, and not of features and other information. First, i'll re-evaluate all the weapon articles to see what extra info each has, what each lacks etc. I should also refresh my memory on Conduit 2's changes too as well as check out what can be done in Wikia articles. After doing so, i'll repost a new design based off of suggestion three. I'm currently thinking that "Beneficial Suit Upgrades" should go under strategies, but i don't want to make it too clumped up together, so i'll have to take a good look at things first. I'll probably be done soon, that is if i don't get pulled away to do something else while working on it.

Maybe after this is done, other parts of the wikia could be taken a look at too. A new wikia page was made recently and its just given me a few ideas, if they haven't been done already. Those ideas/other stuff are better left to discuss after this is done though. After a final format has been worked out, we should adapt all current weapons articles to them.

Also, everyone's welcome to note changes they think are beneficial to suggestion three.

~Barolb ~Barolb 06:43, April 6, 2012 (UTC)

Several hours later, i come up with a new design. This one is a lot more length, and includes a lot more details compared to the other ones. I have put a Campaign section in header 2, a Weapons Overview in header 2, made statistics its own header, and included a real life use at the end of the page in header 2. Personally, i think this design looks pretty good. I'm not entirely sure on the Weapon Overview section as the appearance, reload and melee became a sub header, and the changes i made make it look a little hard to tell the difference between the two types. I'm thinking that it might be better to put it in point form, however i'm just throwing that idea out there. Without further ado, here is the next suggested design:

Deleted old version

The navigation box is below the reference, as i added to the Scar weapon page a few hours ago, but for some reason there's a reference error on there. Anyways, back to this design. Now, the changes are noted, as well as points on them to customize for each weapon based off of how each weapon appears in at least one game. Dr.Snipes, as you noted before about the AEGIS Device, i took in some consideration for how that article currently looks. Looking at the Strategies section, under the multiplayer sub header another two sub headers can be put in for the AEGIS Device Rule, as well as the Shield Chart. Both these things should be included under strategy, or rather they can be included under strategy. With that said, i'll go into a little more detail about this design.

Multiplayer is as a sub header because of the possibility of the weapon not being in multiplayer. There are some prototype weapons that aren't in multiplayer, of either games, if i'm correct. Although there are few, this can be adapted better this way. This way more sub sections can be included. I also included charts for weapon comparisons. Since Ddd87 likes the compare aspect of it, i decided to make this section as a basic weapon stats comparison. With this change, i've also been wondering about the top part with the original weapon stats and the infobox template. Now, i'm not sure if the most recent game stats should be listed there, or not, but i think it would probably be of interest to setup as such. The stats, if it appeared in The Conduit, would be included in the statistics section anyways. Also, speaking of the infobox, i think two points should be added to the template to update it a bit. Both should note if it appears in The Conduit and Conduit 2 or one or the other.

The real life use section i included based off of one of the points i saw in one of the other articles. I think it would be an intereting addition to the page if info were included on realistic weapons. Sci-fi weapons do not need it to be included, unless they actually exist in real life.

Finally, i also included points in each section on the ifs of using them. This way it would make the appearance a bit more organized if the weapon does not include in a game. If a gun does not appear in one of the games, then nor does the sections on it.

When this is all done, i'll clean up the past models from the talk page, and only have the final one for show as headers 3 and above to avoid making major sections on this page.

Anyways, let me know what you all think. ~Barolb 12:02, April 6, 2012 (UTC)

This looks really good, but the AEGIS Device has 2 charts. i suppose they could be blended together though. I think it will add a lot more information to each weapon, and possibly even make it easier to read. Dr.Snipes 12:20, April 6, 2012 (UTC)

After carefully thinking it over, i think it might be better to take the same route as other wikias on the division of the same weapons from different games. I've been thinking it over for a while now on how to fix it up a bit better, and i don't think there's much that can be done. So, to stick with the layout from others might be for the best.

• Contents
• Info box from first game in series
  • Info
• Info box from first game in series
  • Info
• etc
  • etc

Looking at it like that would probably be better organized. I did modify it a bit to include a weapon overview at the beginning with the info on the weapon's appearance, reload and melee though. Also, at the end of the page 'Statistics Comparison' could be put to compare weapon stats. 'Real World Use' could also be kept for weapons with the same name as a real life weapon. So, basically it would look like this:

• Conents
• Weapon Overview
  • Appearance
  • Reload
  • Melee
• The Conduit
  • Infobox
  • Campaign
  • Strategies
    • Multiplayer
• Conduit 2
  • Infobox
  • Campaign
  • Conduit 2 Store
  • Multiplayer
    • Beneficial Suit Upgrades
  • Strategies
• Statsticis Comparison
• Table
• Stat Observations
• Real World Use
• Trivia
• Gallery

I don't know why i didn't think about doing it like this before, but this way it won't interupt the contents above for current discussions and whatnot. Anyways, i've edited the MP5KA4 page with this layout. Some of the stats are missing for Conduit 2 since i don't know them, but it pretty well follows the outline.

Thoughts? After taking a look at the kind of finished product from this test, it looks pretty good imo.

I also deleted the previous outlines from above to stop it from disrupting the setup of the discussions.

~Barolb 06:52, April 30, 2012 (UTC)

Truthfully, it seems to have greatly enlarged the size of pages, making it a burden to edit. Also with this new format, when first done there seems to be a lot of room for change, seeing as there is a lot of missing stuff from the MP5KA4 now. Dr.Snipes 09:01, April 30, 2012 (UTC)

I don't think the size of page has much to do with difficulty of editing. Unlike before, you don't have all the information side by side. With trying to work with that, i found it kind of difficult to try and make the Strategies section work in a way that looks nice. It was definitely possible, but then there would have to be another sub section to divide The Conduit and Conduit 2 strategies. I didn't like that too much. This way, they aren't subdivided too much, and the page still looks appealing.

The length of the two are actually about the same believe it or not. The previous outline makes the page a little smaller, but not too much. I'd say about 4-6 lines or so shorter. With editing in information, it does look like a lot of stuff is missing, but that's also a result of having added in more sections. The Conduit's section could use more stuff added to it. I only added in a little bit since it was very late at night when i was working on it. Real world use could definitely be expanded on quite a bit. The same for Strategies, Campaign and Multiplayer. All could use a bit more info added.

~Barolb 16:55, April 30, 2012 (UTC)